Motorcycle Crashes into Bicycles
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Looked a little bit like fixation, and a little like he went wide (which may have been the thing to do depending on the turn he came off).
That being said (and with all due respect for the bicyclists and their injuries), what are they doing on a stretch of road *famous* for very fast moving, tenuously balanced, vehicles coming around blind turns, and expecting traffic moving at the same speed as they are.
"Share the road" may be nice, and all politically correct, but being a f#$%'ing dumbass about the environment you're bicycling in is pre-meditated stupidity...
And, frankly, I'm getting more and more tired of riding *OR* driving down highways and significant four lane arteries, having to watch for bicycles moving at 1/3 the prevailing speed of traffic, who think that's ok because "the road is for everyone..." This may not be a popular opinion... so, if I offended any bicyclists out there... well... c'est la vie...
That being said (and with all due respect for the bicyclists and their injuries), what are they doing on a stretch of road *famous* for very fast moving, tenuously balanced, vehicles coming around blind turns, and expecting traffic moving at the same speed as they are.
"Share the road" may be nice, and all politically correct, but being a f#$%'ing dumbass about the environment you're bicycling in is pre-meditated stupidity...
And, frankly, I'm getting more and more tired of riding *OR* driving down highways and significant four lane arteries, having to watch for bicycles moving at 1/3 the prevailing speed of traffic, who think that's ok because "the road is for everyone..." This may not be a popular opinion... so, if I offended any bicyclists out there... well... c'est la vie...
Looked like it to me...his helmet move to his right as he is comming out of the corner...
Fortunately this is a somewhat rare occurance, and also the bicyclist did not get hurt badly. But, I do think riding a bicycle on a public highway is a bit foolish, primarily because they cannot ride at the appropriate speed to flow with traffic, but rather impede traffic and disrupt the flow.
I do, however, believe in Freedom, the pursuit of happiness, and the golden rule - I don't want anyone standing in the way of my passion (motorcycles), so I guess we need to be tolerant of others hobbies.
But, common sense has to have a say at some point, for now it seems to work, but what happens when the bicyclist population on highways quadruples? Recently I have been seeing huge groups of really, really slow out of shape bicyclists, not in a central pack, but stretched out for miles creating an extended hazard, and they seem to be completely oblivious to the danger they are creating (e.g. impatient drivers crossing double yellows on blind curves to pass them). So, yeah, it makes for a bit of tension for sure, but I really don't think its going to change anytime soon.
I do, however, believe in Freedom, the pursuit of happiness, and the golden rule - I don't want anyone standing in the way of my passion (motorcycles), so I guess we need to be tolerant of others hobbies.
But, common sense has to have a say at some point, for now it seems to work, but what happens when the bicyclist population on highways quadruples? Recently I have been seeing huge groups of really, really slow out of shape bicyclists, not in a central pack, but stretched out for miles creating an extended hazard, and they seem to be completely oblivious to the danger they are creating (e.g. impatient drivers crossing double yellows on blind curves to pass them). So, yeah, it makes for a bit of tension for sure, but I really don't think its going to change anytime soon.
That's what bicycle lanes are for... Just sayin'...
For real though, the bicyclist was barely moving and on the car lane side of the white line. Very much the motorcyclist's fault as well, IMHO, he shouldn't have straightened the bike up... I know, I know, spur of the moment thing, could've happened to anyone.
For real though, the bicyclist was barely moving and on the car lane side of the white line. Very much the motorcyclist's fault as well, IMHO, he shouldn't have straightened the bike up... I know, I know, spur of the moment thing, could've happened to anyone.
There are more cyclists up in those canyons on many weekend mornings than high-performance motorcyclists and drivers. Mostly they're up there early and have cleared out before much of the traffic shows up, but not all. It's part of the reality of that road and always has been. There are also horses, hikers and a couple of kids camps in the area. The house just above the curve is regularly used for some kind of movie/tv shoots (I think they do some reality show up there) so there are slow-moving production vehicles coming and going -- less frequently on weekends, but often enough. Dirt roads, driveways, hiking and equestrian trails enter and in some places cross the road. For many, many years it worked out OK. There were lots of unwritten rules that everybody in the area knew you had to follow, and the locals made damn sure you weren't welcome if you broke them. Walking into the Rock Store if you broke the "rules" was a really, really unwelcoming experience.
YouTube has changed that. Now every yahoo within 500 miles wants to show up to prove to their friends how cool they are when the video and pictures get put up online. Lots of them don't even seem to care if they crash. Most of them don't bother to scout it out at slow speed and since the YouTube videos tend to focus specifically on riders on that one curve, most of them tend to have no clue how many obstacles they are likely to have to deal with, or that the primary traffic on that road is slower local residents.
That section is posted with warning signs: 20mph uphill, 15mph downhill. It's barely 2 lanes wide in the narrower sections. CHP usually don't sweat the speed issue, so long as you stay in the lane, but it's really common for people to go well above the limit outside the curves. Cross over the double-yellow and you will get busted. Go into a parking/shoulder area (where there is one) and you will get busted. The local neighbors have gotten to the point where they are lobbying for strict speed enforcement for the entire length of Mulholland and some of them have even talked about speed bumps. Keep in mind many of the people up there have the governor, mayor and county commissioners on speed-dial.
There used to be an uneasy coexistence that mostly worked. It doesn't anymore. The publicity and the traffic it's generated have killed it. Talking to people up there, I'm pretty sure that we're now exactly one "innocent bystander" away from the whole thing being shut down. All it'll take is one idiot who doesn't notice a minivan slowing to pull into a driveway.
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I have no doubt there are more and more "yahoos" on over-powered supersports, thanks to the publicity of Mulholland (as well as the Suches Loop, here in Georgia, and Deals Gap - TotD, in N.C.), as MIchaelinVenice correctly points out.
That's an unfortunate evolution of the "demographics" of these places which have and *will* create more and more issues. However, it further emphasizes the reality of the need to recognize the type of traffic that exists up there now, *especially* if you're a bicycle rider, or a walker/hiker/skateboarder/whatever... and *especially* if the local authorities are giving the bikers latitude. Even 20mph means bicyclists and walkers become road hazards...
That's an unfortunate evolution of the "demographics" of these places which have and *will* create more and more issues. However, it further emphasizes the reality of the need to recognize the type of traffic that exists up there now, *especially* if you're a bicycle rider, or a walker/hiker/skateboarder/whatever... and *especially* if the local authorities are giving the bikers latitude. Even 20mph means bicyclists and walkers become road hazards...
Bert-Aus
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...What accident???
all i saw was a nice bit photographer (0:52 sec)
all i saw was a nice bit photographer (0:52 sec)
Her?...What accident???
all i saw was a nice bit photographer (0:52 sec)
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Deathdiesel
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Really gotta blame the bicycle rider on this one. Was the motorcycle speeding? Maybe, was the bicycle moving at an unsafely slow speed on a blind and twisty road? Yes. Is the motorcycle registered to be on the highway and public roads? Yes Is the bicycle? No, they do not pay any taxes, registration, or fees to ride their bicycles. They should NOT have been riding on a road with no shoulders either, just plain ass stupid.
Bert-Aus
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It's her profile picture. Nice, uh... side view.The twitter acount has quite the wallpaper
bloodypulp
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Damn baby, Bloody likey!The twitter acount has quite the wallpaper
FastFreddy
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He needs to develop an "instant action slow down, keep cool and avoid danger" sense. He almost snapped the poor cyclist's back.
You have to keep a mental map in your head of where the cyclists might be. Assume that every blind corner will have cyclists on it, until you can see the corner vanishing point.
If you aren't looking 2-3 seconds up the road, then you are flying blind.
Also be aware that most people tend to want to go faster than usual when being watched on camera or by a pretty lady. So again, stay cool and do your normal speed.
You have to keep a mental map in your head of where the cyclists might be. Assume that every blind corner will have cyclists on it, until you can see the corner vanishing point.
If you aren't looking 2-3 seconds up the road, then you are flying blind.
Also be aware that most people tend to want to go faster than usual when being watched on camera or by a pretty lady. So again, stay cool and do your normal speed.
roundhouse
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most bicycle folk i know always say "we have the same rights to the road as you"
yeah i get it, but when you are on a human powered machine that clogs up traffic and generally pisses cagers and motorcycle people off "just because it's your right"
it was karma for when that bicycle guy blocked traffic trying to turn right so he could go straight and runs stop signs all day long as he has the same rights but the laws do not apply.
i dont know where the bikers head was. that was just stupid. i am just venting and hope the guy is OK but i do hate when bicyclists get in front and block me in "because they can" i have dreamed about driving through them..........
but not like that
yeah i get it, but when you are on a human powered machine that clogs up traffic and generally pisses cagers and motorcycle people off "just because it's your right"
it was karma for when that bicycle guy blocked traffic trying to turn right so he could go straight and runs stop signs all day long as he has the same rights but the laws do not apply.
i dont know where the bikers head was. that was just stupid. i am just venting and hope the guy is OK but i do hate when bicyclists get in front and block me in "because they can" i have dreamed about driving through them..........
but not like that
Do what my county did and put speed cameras ever quarter mile........
In all seriousness I know we want to defend the motorcyclist, but I think it's primarily his fault. Was the bicyclist also to blame? Partially, but the law is on his side. When you get on your motorcycle, you are responsible for keeping it in control. This rider, for whatever reason, didn't have control of his motorcycle. What if I was riding my moto 5mph over the speed limit and a car slammed into the back of me?
Regardless of the heat and arguements this video brings up, I hope everyone involved heals and pray something like this never happens to me or my friends.
bloodypulp
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Bikes were on side of road. Looked like he almost targeted them. I understand target fixation but that was extreme