Clutch less up shifting
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Z3roFlaw
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I'm no expert, but the manual says not to do it with our clutch because it can cause damage. I personally always pull in the clutch before shifting up or down.
But I'm sure you're going to get responses on both sides of the coin.
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But I'm sure you're going to get responses on both sides of the coin.
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sorry but this made me laugh....!!!! why would you want to shift without pulling the clutch in??? or why not just get a ridley automatic bike or a scooter?.
Two reasons:
- Because I can
- Because my right hand twisted the throttle while my left hand was busy scratching my nose and no one told my left foot to wait.
because all the fast riders do it, and it's cool
And Yamaha mechanics at my local bike shop teach me to do so.
Interesting article on clutchless upshifting...
Clutchless Shifting - Sport Rider Magazine Online
Also read a bunch of stuff on clutchless shifting. Here's what I gather:
1. It's controversial. Some say it's the shit, some say you are guaranteed to destroy your transmission.
2. Clutchless upshifting is pretty easy and safe. Clutchless downshifting is tricky and can cause the rear wheel to momentarily lock up.
3. Some believe clutchless shifting will in the long run damage your bike, but I couldn't find a single actual example or testimonial of someone doing such actual damage.
4. Some racers like to clutchless upshift. It can save time while accelerating out of corners and doesn't disturb the bike as much as the power loss of a clutched upshift.
I'm going to go out and practice a few clutchless upshifts. I've done them a bunch of times before, but never on a regular basis. I don't think I'll do them regularly, however. I'm more curious at this point how smooth I can get them.
Clutchless Shifting - Sport Rider Magazine Online
Also read a bunch of stuff on clutchless shifting. Here's what I gather:
1. It's controversial. Some say it's the shit, some say you are guaranteed to destroy your transmission.
2. Clutchless upshifting is pretty easy and safe. Clutchless downshifting is tricky and can cause the rear wheel to momentarily lock up.
3. Some believe clutchless shifting will in the long run damage your bike, but I couldn't find a single actual example or testimonial of someone doing such actual damage.
4. Some racers like to clutchless upshift. It can save time while accelerating out of corners and doesn't disturb the bike as much as the power loss of a clutched upshift.
I'm going to go out and practice a few clutchless upshifts. I've done them a bunch of times before, but never on a regular basis. I don't think I'll do them regularly, however. I'm more curious at this point how smooth I can get them.
You know it's kind of funny. I tend to "speed shift" not out of desire, but simply because that's how I shift. I clutch and shift nearly simultaneously in probably under a second.
I wouldn't be surprised at all, if in that timeframe I'm sometimes upshifting before I've fully engaged the clutch. I sincerely hope that whatever damage I may be doing is minor, and will take years of accumulation before I have to rebuild the clutch.
It's an ingrained, muscle memory sort of habit that I don't think about any more than the need to shift. I don't know if I could change it.
I wouldn't be surprised at all, if in that timeframe I'm sometimes upshifting before I've fully engaged the clutch. I sincerely hope that whatever damage I may be doing is minor, and will take years of accumulation before I have to rebuild the clutch.
It's an ingrained, muscle memory sort of habit that I don't think about any more than the need to shift. I don't know if I could change it.
If done right it does no damage....key word "right"!
I ran a honda shadow and did this excessively for 60,000 miles... with no tranny problems what so ever.
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yellowfz
Have clutchless shifted for a long time now and never any problems.
These bikes are not a Harley.
People who says it hurt the trans or don't see the benefit are just jealous that they can't do it.
These bikes are not a Harley.
People who says it hurt the trans or don't see the benefit are just jealous that they can't do it.
I've been clutchless shifting for 44 years........
It does no harm up or down.
The rear tire will lock up momentarily when downshifting.
I've never had any transmission issues or worn teeth on the gears.
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I only do this in the dirt riding motocross..........
Because we are in the street, I'd highly advise you not do it.
You can bend you shift forks in the transmission.
Most transmissions are constant mesh so the gears will be OK.
Downshifts if not executed perfectly will lock up the rear wheel momentarily and that will cause loss of control in the street.
Occasional clutchless shifting is fine if you match the RPMs to the gear selected as you shift and that is very tricky.
To replace the shift fork you bent will require a 100% teardown of your engine......nuff said...
Have fun
It does no harm up or down.
The rear tire will lock up momentarily when downshifting.
I've never had any transmission issues or worn teeth on the gears.
Wait for it....
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I only do this in the dirt riding motocross..........
Because we are in the street, I'd highly advise you not do it.
You can bend you shift forks in the transmission.
Most transmissions are constant mesh so the gears will be OK.
Downshifts if not executed perfectly will lock up the rear wheel momentarily and that will cause loss of control in the street.
Occasional clutchless shifting is fine if you match the RPMs to the gear selected as you shift and that is very tricky.
To replace the shift fork you bent will require a 100% teardown of your engine......nuff said...
Have fun
fixed it for you... not using the clutch won't hurt the clutch...
not getting the shift perfect will hurt the transmission... but who knows by how much, it may take years of abuse before it becomes a problem...
I prefer to use my clutch, but have on rare occasion not...