Marthy's PCV Maps

[Diluted]

Hey everyone,

I've offered to host Marthy's PCV maps on my website, I figured it would be easier for everyone to put them in one place instead of having Martin email them to everyone. This first wave is for the Viper can. I'll be working on getting an actual small site setup for these.

Here's what Martin has sent to me in regards to the maps (hope he doesn't mind that I post this)...

Here's few things about those maps. First of all, this is the best I could come up with. I made 3 maps. They are pretty much all the same, the only difference are the crusing range (4500 to 7000, 5 to 20%) in the "Touring" version. With those numbers (+5) the bike run good and it's on the safe side. (I ran 0 for a 150 miles trip yesterday and everything was fine. I just felt it was right on the edge...) Using +5 should be on the safe side for everyone.

The advance gear feature is the best of both world. Instead of having a "MAP SWITCH" and alter from Sport to Touring map, it does it for you. Gear 1 to 5 are preset with the Sport map. 6th gear is preset with Touring map. It can be change for your needs. I migh change mine for 4th, 5th and 6th with the touring map... Or just change the crusing mode to +10 for 4th & 5th. You have the idea, it can be change for what ever needs... I will suggest to always save on a different name if you make any changes, it's easier to track back your progress or go back where you were if you don't like the changes. One thing here, if you don't use the stock gearing you need to connect the Speed/Gear sensor to the PCV and recalibrate your SCALLAR number. Read instruction in the PCV manual.

Now here's few piece of advise about the Acceration Pump feature. The 75%, 30Rev & 20% are, what I would consider, agressive setting. Since the bike is quite detune and under power, for the experience rider they are very manageable. It gives a solid punch on hard acceleration.

Now for the less experience rider... I hope those will be honest with them self. Try the map without the A/P feature for a bit, then use the intermediate setting... make you're way up to it. With the "expert" setting (had to give it some sort of name) you can't just dump the throttle like you use too with the stock bike, espacially coming out of a corner (still leaning...) You need to have some throttle control.

Enjoy the ride... and be safe!

Now for the links...

Viper Touring Map
Viper Sport Map
Viper Advanced Gear Map
All of the Viper Maps

Viper Touring Map - Revision A
Viper Sport Map - Revision A
Viper Advanced Gear Map - Revision A
All of the Viper Maps - Revision A

Viper Touring Map - Revision B
Viper Sport Map - Revision B
Viper Advanced Gear Map - Revision B
All of the Viper Maps - Revision B

I hate to have to add one of these, but it's to cover our a$$...

Please be careful while modding your bike. Use these maps at your own risk. Even though these maps have been tested and do work, we won't be responsible if something were to happen to you or your bike due to the use of these maps. If you have any questions regarding these maps we strongly suggest you PM Marthy.

Thanks!

 

[Hellgate]

Wow, those are the fattest maps I've seen on any year model of any motorcycle.

How were they made? eg: dyno type, O2 or 4/5 Gas EGA?

 

[Spunky99]

Sung to the tune of Spiderman.......

DynoButt, DynoButt,
Does whatever a Dyno can
Makes a map, any size,
Explosive acceleration the bike just flys
Look Out!
Here comes the DynoButt.

Is he smart?
Listen bud,
He's got explosive blood.
Can he map your bikes best power
Don’t look now red light flashing.
Hey, there
There goes the DynoButt.

In the chill of night
With the App and a map
Like a streak of light
TBRs got nothing on him.

DynoButt, DynoButt
Friendly neighborhood DynoButt
Wealth and fame
He's so far been denied
Speeding like the Devil is his reward.

To him, life is a great big ECU map
Whenever there's a change
You'll find the DynoButt.

 

[Stricken]

Went on a ride with Marthy's advanced gear map and power wheelies are easy on first gear. Thanks for emailing me Marthy!

 

[Marthy]

Hey everyone,

I've offered to host Marthy's PCV maps on my website, I figured it would be easier for everyone to put them in one place instead of having Martin email them to everyone. This first wave is for the Viper can. I'll be working on getting an actual small site setup for these.

Here's what Martin has sent to me in regards to the maps (hope he doesn't mind that I post this)...



Now for the links...

Viper Touring Map
Viper Sport Map
Viper Advanced Gear Map
All of the Viper Maps

I hate to have to add one of these, but it's to cover our a$$...



Thanks!

Thanks Chris. I like the disclaimer part... This is why I was trying to give some good advise... It won't make it a FZ6RR but the gain is quite noticeable. :wav:

 

[Marthy]

Wow, those are the fattest maps I've seen on any year model of any motorcycle.

How were they made? eg: dyno type, O2 or 4/5 Gas EGA?

I used Auto tune and Buttdyno. I agree with you the map is quite fat, maybe it need some work still. But you need to take in consideration that this engine is quite de-tune... it run lean stock. So for a 13.3FR AT require another 10 in soma area in the low rpm. I didn't notice any gain pass 25% or so. The engine like to run on the fat side on the lower rpm. Run lot more smooth and torquier too.

I don't claim that this map is as good as it can get. But it's the best I found so far. The bottom line is, it work great! You should try it...

 

[ajiribarren]

Marthy thanks for the maps! The Postman left a card today for my PCV and Autotune! Hopefully will be installing tomorrow, and gonna use your maps and try to fiddle a little bit with them, see how it goes...

Cheers mate!

 

[Hellgate]

I used Auto tune and Buttdyno. I agree with you the map is quite fat, maybe it need some work still. But you need to take in consideration that this engine is quite de-tune... it run lean stock. So for a 13.3FR AT require another 10 in soma area in the low rpm. I didn't notice any gain pass 25% or so. The engine like to run on the fat side on the lower rpm. Run lot more smooth and torquier too.

I don't claim that this map is as good as it can get. But it's the best I found so far. The bottom line is, it work great! You should try it...

Don't think that de-tuned means less fuel is being delivered. De-tuned is less cam profile, cam overlap, smaller throttle bodies, etc. Yamaha actual tunes it's street bikes a little on the fat side and cleans them with CATs, hence CATs in the header and the pipe. On my FZ1, FZ6, and R6 we actually took out more fuel across the map than what was added. Remember the old racers saying, "Lean is mean."

 

[Marthy]

Don't think that de-tuned means less fuel is being delivered. De-tuned is less cam profile, cam overlap, smaller throttle bodies, etc. Yamaha actual tunes it's street bikes a little on the fat side and cleans them with CATs, hence CATs in the header and the pipe. On my FZ1, FZ6, and R6 we actually took out more fuel than what was added. to the stock map. Remember the old racers saying, "Lean is mean."

I've been tuning carbs for the last 20 years... I know and agree with you. Lean give you better throttle response. I did went that route too with the 6R. I wasn't getting anything good out of it. After 2-3 weeks of messing with it I went the other way around. I pretty much sit down with all the maps available + the ones I worked on and start from scratch. This is when I start progressing in the right direction. I just got better and better. I didn't try the Acc Pump feature until very recently, not until I felt like the map was getting close to be done.

I still have some work... perfection is not a state of being. It's a idea that we have to keep working harder towards a common goal, perfection. I'm telling you, the map is smooth and pull very strong from 4K... Dropping the hammer at 7500 will put a big smile in your face, and the front wheel off the ground... I heard!

 

[jay]

ok.. guys.. i have to admit it.. i don't know what are maps... don't know how to use them..!! what good are they for.. !! i don't know anything about them.! can anyone give me some knowledge about them.. of course i can grab the manuals but.... i got lot to figure out already
many thanks

 

[Diluted]

ok.. guys.. i have to admit it.. i don't know what are maps... don't know how to use them..!! what good are they for.. !! i don't know anything about them.! can anyone give me some knowledge about them.. of course i can grab the manuals but.... i got lot to figure out already
many thanks

They're for people with a Power Commander. The map tells the controller how much fuel to supply the engine and when.

 

[Marthy]

Any feed back on the PCV Viper map? I'm still working on it, especially the 2% and 5%. I notice few flat spot around 5K. Just trying to get it perfect.

Also, is there anyone out there with a TB Full exhaust / PCV that is willing to give it a shot? Just curious about if it work good with that setup. It's very similar to the Viper can.

Thanks everyone.
Marthy.

 

[ajiribarren]

Hey Marthy, any tips on installing the PCV? Received everything today, but the instructions tell me I need to splice into the Speed and Temp sensor wires. Is that mandatory or optional? I'm not that good soldering wires

Has anyone installed a PCV and a HID kit? I noticed that the proposed location for the PCV in the frame is where I installed the HID Ballast, was wondering if anyone has encountered the same problem and found any other suitable location.

Thanks in advance for any help

 

[Stricken]

Hey Marthy, any tips on installing the PCV? Received everything today, but the instructions tell me I need to splice into the Speed and Temp sensor wires. Is that mandatory or optional? I'm not that good soldering wires

Has anyone installed a PCV and a HID kit? I noticed that the proposed location for the PCV in the frame is where I installed the HID Ballast, was wondering if anyone has encountered the same problem and found any other suitable location.

Thanks in advance for any help

You don't have to splice any wires for the PCV. The connections are plug and play. I also did not mount the PCV onto the frame. Instead I have it inside the passenger seat storage compartment.

 

[Marthy]

Hey Marthy, any tips on installing the PCV? Received everything today, but the instructions tell me I need to splice into the Speed and Temp sensor wires. Is that mandatory or optional? I'm not that good soldering wires

Has anyone installed a PCV and a HID kit? I noticed that the proposed location for the PCV in the frame is where I installed the HID Ballast, was wondering if anyone has encountered the same problem and found any other suitable location.

Thanks in advance for any help

You don't need the speed/gear ratio connected if you keep the stock gearing. Connect the connectors, secure the PCV as shown in the instructions. It won't fit under the seat with the AT. (Unfortunately) Load your map, calibrate your TPS.

Very strait forward deal. I'm sure you will figure it out! Have fun, be safe!

 

[JonKerr]

So far I'm enjoying the map you sent me. Good power and good feel. The first time I punched it getting on the freeway in 2nd gear and lifted the front tire a touch, I couldn't stop grinning. The only odd thing is it seems to sputter a little with minimal throttle at about 5000 rpm (like if I'm backing off and cruising in a residential neighborhood.) Also my fuel milage has gone to shit when I'm riding hard. Now granted, I'm pushing the bike harder, rarely dropping below 8000 RPM, accelerating hard out of turns, etc... (See the clips on my vimeo page) so I usually loose a bit of milage. But Saturday my F-Trip started blinking at 115 miles. I'm going to put in the new sport map you sent for weekend riding and try that and I'm also going to put the touring map in during the week for commuting.

 

[Spunky99]

Hey Marthy, any tips on installing the PCV? Received everything today, but the instructions tell me I need to splice into the Speed and Temp sensor wires. Is that mandatory or optional? I'm not that good soldering wires

Has anyone installed a PCV and a HID kit? I noticed that the proposed location for the PCV in the frame is where I installed the HID Ballast, was wondering if anyone has encountered the same problem and found any other suitable location.

Thanks in advance for any help

HID ballast on the left and the PCV on the right just behind the steering head.

 

[Marthy]

So far I'm enjoying the map you sent me. Good power and good feel. The first time I punched it getting on the freeway in 2nd gear and lifted the front tire a touch, I couldn't stop grinning. The only odd thing is it seems to sputter a little with minimal throttle at about 5000 rpm (like if I'm backing off and cruising in a residential neighborhood.) Also my fuel milage has gone to shit when I'm riding hard. Now granted, I'm pushing the bike harder, rarely dropping below 8000 RPM, accelerating hard out of turns, etc... (See the clips on my vimeo page) so I usually loose a bit of milage. But Saturday my F-Trip started blinking at 115 miles. I'm going to put in the new sport map you sent for weekend riding and try that and I'm also going to put the touring map in during the week for commuting.

Thanks for the feedback! I did notice the same thing also around 5K. I think I fix the issue. I'm just putting more miles on it to make sure everything is perfect now.

If you use the Advance Gear map, the first 5 gears is Sports amp and 6th is touring for freeway. I lean her out from 4500 to 7000 rpm. How much do you rev on freeway at cruising speed? 7000 for me is 92 mph... I might need to put this map in 5th or 4th to try it on higher rev... Give me a day or two and I will send you the Viper map RevA.

After my morning ride to work, I believe the problem is all fix! Let me ride it a little more tonight... I want to make sure it's all perfect this time. I know this how Microsoft rule... but I tried to have it perfect on the first try. This is a little issue that I carry from the Supertrapp setup. The Supertrapp map never been perfect to my liking, but had a good punch. Not as smooth as this one. I might have to try the Supertrapp again with this map. I'm really debating between the Supertrapp and Viper. They both have pros & cons. I feel like the Supertrapp has a better mid range but fade a bit aroung 11000. The Viper sound like madness at top end and has a nice rumble at low rpm. The Supertrapp is quite nice too. Just higher pitch.

 

[JonKerr]

Yeah I think 5th and 6th should probably be touring tuned. I never hit 5th when I'm riding aggressively in the canyons and am using the advantages of the sport tune. Considering 4th gear at 11,000 rpm is 100 mph, I don't need an aggressive 5th gear in the canyons. But 5th and 6th are what I stay in on the freeways, and when commuting, I actually ride in 5th more than 6th because I like being a bit higher in the rev's so I can squirt out of the way when needed. But at the same time, I commute to save money on gas.

 

[Marthy]

All 3 - 6R Viper map Rev. A should be out soon. That should fix the little flat spot around 5000 RPM.

Also as JK suggest, 5th and 6th gears are Touring map now. Just so you all know the Touring map is leaner below 20% throttle, but still has all the "juice" you need when you're over 20%... for those moments!

Ride safe!